An online conversation between Da’Shaun Harrison, author of Belly of the Beast, and Hari Ziyad, author of Black Boy Out of Time. Both Da’Shaun and Hari’s work envisions a world where people who are queer, trans, BIPOC, sex workers, fat, and/or disabled can be free.

Da’Shaun Harrison is a Black, fat, queer and trans theorist and abolitionist in Atlanta, GA. Harrison is the author of Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness, and is a public speaker who often gives talks and leads workshops on Blackness, queerness, gender, fatness, disabilities, and their intersections. You can find more of their work and their services on their website, at dashaunharrison.com.

Hari Ziyad is a screenwriter, the editor-in-chief of RaceBaitr, and the bestselling author of Black Boy Out of Time (Little A). Previously, they were the managing editor of Black Youth Project and a script consultant on David Makes Man (OWN), and they are currently a writer at CBS.